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On 5th of August 2020 I saw a 2cy LBBG at Hirtshals, Denmark. This bird was unringed and did not show very well. I did not manage flight shots. Can it be safely identified as 2cy and secondly if yes, can it be safely identified as a fuscus? Comments to this bird would be very welcome. The jetblack p...

This michahellis pphotographed by Dirk Van Gansberghe in Rome in May 2015 shows the same type of scaps as "my bird": https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/1888897_10153243386338397_1193469088873246963_o.jpg https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/11048749_10153243...

Thanks for the answers.

I think this bird is best left uidentified.

To my eyes it most probably at least have some genes from cachinnans in it.

Best wishes, Rune

Lou, I don't know if they are (i.e. 2. gen retrices). I had not given this any thought to be honest. I only saw the bird very briefly through my bins before it flew of. Theo, what kind of LBBG are you considering. I really do not see this being an intermedius or graellsii let alone a fuscus . The sc...

Hi Lou I have been waiting to hear your opinion. It is greatly aprreciated. If you say the pattern on the scapulars fits within the variation of michahellis then I will rest at ease and accept this as such. By the way: Have you seen this scap-pattern on michahellis previously? Also as I mentioned in...

Really, noboby has any opinions on this bird?

Hans Larsson apparantly thinks this bird best fits michahellis, but I still think the scapulars look worong for this species....

Any thoughts?

Best wishes, Rune

Hi

I photographed this 1st cycle gull on the 19th of May at Hvide Sande on the danish west coast.

To me it looks like a Caspian Gull but the dark underwings seems odd. The pattern on the scapulars do not fit michahellis I think.

Also it might be an argentatus x cachinnans?

Best wishes, Rune

Since no one else has answered: With my limited knowledge on/experience with this form I have a hard time seeing that it should be anything else than an atlantis . The dark hood, mantle colour like graellsii or a bit lighter looks good. Black markings on p4 would be even better so far I remember but...

Thanks to the always helpful Jan J

Hi Peter

Thanks for the answer.

I have to admit that I don´t quite understand what you mean by "dark medial band".

I have added som pics showing the underwing.

Bw, Rune